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#1 clott5

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Posted 21 August 2006 - 03:13 PM

Can anyone tell me what happened to Lasma that brought on their demise? Also, does anyone have a clue where Raymond and Gene Lacroix are these days? Have they given up the Arabian breed?

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Posted 21 August 2006 - 03:14 PM

I bought a breeding to one of Gene's DHH stallions last year. They have a farm in KY now (i think it was KY), I dont know if there are any Arabs there or not.

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Posted 21 August 2006 - 03:25 PM

http://www.raylacroix.com
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Posted 21 August 2006 - 04:16 PM

Terra...that web site didn't work for me tried it twice.
www.lovenwararabians.com

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Posted 21 August 2006 - 04:30 PM

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Posted 21 August 2006 - 04:33 PM

gene still has a few horses in training and showed at buckeye and region 14. Was Buckeye and Region 14 Champ in HA EP Driving with Mannos Premier and has US National Champ AOTR PB Park horse Hallelujah Baby in the training stable so he does have a few!

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Posted 21 August 2006 - 05:03 PM

I think that Gessepi would be the best person here to answer the Lasma question...it would take more than a single post - I've always thought it would make a great non-fiction book (kind of like the book on Calumet Farms "A Wild Ride").

In a nutshell (correct me if I'm wrong...this is just from my observations as a subscriber to Arabian Horse World at the time) to me it seems that Lasma just got too 'big for their britches'. i.e. they way overextended themselves, probably starting about the time they imported *Aladdinn into the US...auction prices and stud fees were going up and up and up and maybe they thought it would be like the loaves and the fishes and just keep going on and on and on. Plus I think they were getting into too many different segments of the horse industry, also real estate with the purchase and development of L'Esprit etc.

During this time, Arabian Horse World didn't report the bad stuff that was going on at Lasma/Star World (perhaps they just weren't aware, I don't know). As I recall, the first indication that something might not be quite right as far as I could see was an article in "World News" announcing that Ventura Farms had purchased Lasma's entire mare herd (and that included plenty of truly great/famous mares). Around that time, I also noted that the amount of ad pages from Lasma dropped big time...I think it was late 86/early 87 that Lasma as an entity was sold to that Japanese guy (don't remember his name off the top of my head!).

I don't know the LaCroix family personally but my feeling in retrospect is that the elder Dr. Eugene LaCroix and Mrs. LaCroix didn't have much to do with all that money/investment stuff, and Ray L. seemed to be way more involved with actually training and showing than the business bits. Again using Arabian Horse World from that time as a guide, you can see that Gene Jr. was showing less and less often, it seemed as though he would focus on just a couple of 'big horses' instead of training/showing a bunch of 'em, KWIM? Basically it just seems like they overextended and it ended up biting them in the butt.

Again, Geseppi would know more of the skinny on Lasma - he's written some really interesting posts here at ABH about Lasma and Star World...
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Posted 21 August 2006 - 05:59 PM

sorry, lol. I misspelled it. Thanks to Lori G for correcting it.
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Posted 21 August 2006 - 06:57 PM

The DEMISE of LASMA?................Could it have been the TAX LAW CJHANGE ? bomb.gif

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Posted 21 August 2006 - 08:03 PM

QUOTE(aliskeeper @ Aug 21 2006, 06:57 PM)  

The DEMISE of LASMA?................Could it have been the TAX LAW CJHANGE ? bomb.gif

The 1986 tax law change hurt a lot more than just Lasma, but yes, I would say it had a ton of influrence on Lasma- If we arent careful, NAIS is the next thing to bite us all in the pocketbook!

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Posted 21 August 2006 - 08:58 PM

They also stand The Heat Is On (an arab).

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Posted 21 August 2006 - 09:44 PM

Cali Canberra's book Trading Paper is loosely based on Lasma and the 80s heydays.

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Posted 21 August 2006 - 10:36 PM

Wasn't it Teisan Auto Company that bought out Lasma?



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Posted 21 August 2006 - 10:42 PM

I think Gene is in Fairlight Valleys old barn at Le Sprit
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Posted 22 August 2006 - 09:41 AM

I wish they were into showing Arabians more! I do know each are one of the best trainers, riders, and handlers that this industry ever had and they helped train the best of trainers of today. I also will say a hugh "Thanks" to Lasma for introducing me to the world of horses and to the Dr. who spent several hours with me on pedigrees and horses - more then i can even remember. Today, we would not have the horses we have! I miss them in the ring! Would love to see Gene back in a park class - that man can drive those rearends better then anyone I have ever seen! Must have legs of iron, I swear!
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Posted 22 August 2006 - 10:06 AM

QUOTE(noone @ Aug 22 2006, 10:03 AM)  

The 1986 tax law change hurt a lot more than just Lasma, but yes, I would say it had a ton of influrence on Lasma- If we arent careful, NAIS is the next thing to bite us all in the pocketbook!



And could it be that when Lasma fell....the TRUE lover of the Arabian horse STAYED ON and the OTHERS moved on to OTHER things??


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Posted 22 August 2006 - 10:15 AM

I wish Ray would do clinics like Clinton Anderson and write more articles/videos. I love the way he explains things. Mind you, I have never had the privilege of having him explain it in person, however when you read his articles you can really understand what you are doing incorrectly. I think he is a wonderful writer and at a clinic I'm sure he is superb. Hey, he needs a show on RFD TV.....I guess he would problably like that also. Another Arabian trainer that I would love to see with his own show on RFD is Gordon Potts, he's one of my favorite all around trainers also.
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Posted 22 August 2006 - 10:29 AM

QUOTE(SKG @ Aug 22 2006, 10:15 AM)  

I wish Ray would do clinics like Clinton Anderson and write more articles/videos. I love the way he explains things. Mind you, I have never had the privilege of having him explain it in person, however when you read his articles you can really understand what you are doing incorrectly. I think he is a wonderful writer and at a clinic I'm sure he is superb. Hey, he needs a show on RFD TV.....I guess he would problably like that also. Another Arabian trainer that I would love to see with his own show on RFD is Gordon Potts, he's one of my favorite all around trainers also.
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Posted 22 August 2006 - 10:53 AM

The techniques I still use to train my babies to halter I learned at a La Croix clinic.

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Posted 22 August 2006 - 10:57 AM

I will always be greatful to that family




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