Nutrition For Endurance Horses?
Posted 14 January 2007 - 01:26 PM
Also, do you feed any little extra things that you feel gives you an edge with your horse?
Please tell us all about the feed program you have your endurances horses on.
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 04:18 PM
At races, they get WHATEVER they want to eat, as long as they eat!
Posted 16 January 2007 - 01:43 AM
The Alfa Oats are my normal grain, a few days before a ride I add soaked Beet Pulp to my competition horses feed. It simply adds bulk and moisture to hopefully help them when traveling and to halp assure that there is something in there system during the ride. I keep it added to the grain at rides for the same reason- raises water and fiber content in the gut.
For a few days pre ride I add electrolytes to the grain.
The amount each horse gets depends on the individual and how hard a keeper he/she normally is, and it will change during ride season. If we are doing lots of rides I have had to practically double the calorie intake on some of my horses. I generally try to have them on the round side starting the ride season, so that after a few rides they are looking fit, not light. I want mine to have those reserves =)
(For those who don't know an endurance horse can easily lose 50 lbs at a ride - some is water weight, but not all. We have scales at several rides in the SE, and I have seen horses weight fluctuate 80 lbs or so from weigh in to weighing during the ride, to post ride, to the next day. It's rather amazing really!)
Endurance and Sport Horses
Posted 16 January 2007 - 11:17 AM
During the season we substitute Ultium for the Strategy. Starting 2 days or so to the ride we give them powdered electrolites in a syringe with apple sauce. They get the electrolites the night before the ride and the morning of. If they are drinking well during the ride we give them another dose at the first long hold, usually about 1/2 way on a 50. If you are doing 25-35 mile rides you may not need to give them a 1/2 way dose. Unless they are drinking well you can overdue the electrolites. Ask lots of questions at the rides to experienced riders. Talk to the ride vet regarding electrolites. Get a feel for your horse's needs. Some horses do well without them. We use them but we do pay attention to the horses urine color and gaits.
Good luck. You should have a blast.
PS: Riding tights are really the only comfortable way to go. I'm sure you will be comfortable in them. Remember, comfort is more important than someone elses opinion on how they look.
City Slicker Ranch
Posted 16 January 2007 - 12:27 PM
Posted 16 January 2007 - 12:29 PM
PS Peter, I'm sure tights are more comfortable to wear but walking around in spandex just seems to suck the "comfortable" right out of the equation. When I used to mountain bike we had shorts that were spandex underneath but regular shorts over the top of that. That's something I could go for.
I admit I'm prideful. That and my gut just isn't as flat as it once was.
PSS I forgot to give the link to the study. http://easycareinc.t...ance_exerc.html Karen give a review but the actual document is the this.pdf link
Posted 16 January 2007 - 01:15 PM
Posted 16 January 2007 - 08:58 PM
Electtolytes and the need for etc...is a subjuect that is curretnly under debate. I use them, but have never been a fan of dosing horses every hour out on the trail or some of the other pretty intense methods I have seen used. I electolyte a few days before the ride, to make sure their system has everything it needs and to encourage drinking ahead of trailering (those long trailer rides are hard, if they have drunk more ahead of time due to electorlytes, that works for me). Then I electrolyte, before the ride, and at the vet checks... how much depends on the the horse. You want to encourage eating and drinking, not give so much that they don't drink.
I will also say that for all the preride stuff, my horses get the elects in their grain instead of in a syringe. that helps cut down on the 'yuk' factor that turns them off eating and drinking, harshness of the El's in the mouth etc...
Anyway- they certainly can be overdone. When I first started rides, everyone electolyted, but not tons, then studies came out that said more was good, and people started using lots, now the newer studies are linking EL's to ulcers and dehydration, so people seem to be swining back to not giving quite as much again....
It's always a learning curve =)
Endurance and Sport Horses
Posted 19 January 2007 - 09:10 AM
Posted 19 January 2007 - 10:58 AM
i know jonni jewell from texas goes real light on electrolytes, i think she said the tevis she rode hank used 3/4 small lyte now tube for the whole ride. knowing your horse is the best thing.
i ride mostly ctr, and alot in texas, no horse on the place has ever lost a metabolics point on hydration. Roc has 4000 natrc miles 2 aerc 50s and a couple 25s and is 24 years old. he started distance at 15. 2 aha national ctr completions, one top 5, 2 regional aha championships, 3 regional reserve and 2 regional top fives (these are 50+ mile 2 day rides in region 9) and he did one regional and one national aha ride this year.... he had his salt block.
shanee, has a couple 25s and 1000 natrc miles between the ages of 22 and 25. trix and khid are 10, trix is over 1000 natrc miles, regional reserve half arab aha 2x. khid has a regional top 5 and a national aha completion...
these guys only have 10% sweet feed, the old ones get a cup of nutrena empower a day. and all the good bermuda hay they want. we always haul the home water to rides. the empower has a balanced calcium/phosporus, zinc and copper. and is 22% fat with lots of omegas. the only think i sometimes do different at rides is give them an alfalfa cube mush, if they act like they need/want it.
now one thing i am going to ask dr holbrook is what if any difference the horses on well water with a softener (salts) added have?
so all this is just my opinion one thing i note in ctr where arabians are the minority, is that let it get good and hot we do alot better.
Posted 06 February 2007 - 01:07 PM
John Hall, Freedom Health LLC
Posted 07 February 2007 - 01:13 PM
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Posted 05 March 2007 - 03:38 PM
Otherwise we feed good grass hay, beet pulp, purina fat n fiber and for a few harder keepers, a top dressing of super high fat feed. 1 scoop of electrolytes in feed once a day when training starts, then increase it before trailering until we are home and for one day after a ride. During a ride, they get loads of apples, carrots, granola bars (have to share those) and whatever else tickles their fancies.
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Posted 29 March 2007 - 12:54 PM
As for electrolytes - I have had a problem with the Perform N Win on one horse. This mare twice had erratic heartrates at the end of 2 rides. There were no common factors in the rides as per intensity of workout, temperature, humidity. Turns out it was a chemical imbalance caused by electrolytes. After switching to the ABC electrolyte as per Dr Stan Alkamede's recommendations we haven't had any issues.
Dosages didn't seem to be the issues but the chemical make up did. We had switched from the ABC product previously as another mount was getting mouth ulcers due to the chemical makeup being too strong, no matter how much we diluted the product.
Often you have to play around with the electrolyte brands and dosages in order to get the right one for the right horse.
Now the interesting thing will be to see how my ulcer case gelding will take to repeated e-lyteing. He's only got under 200 miles to his credit and this will be his first year of serious campaigning. He will be watched very closely.
Just think back to the early 1960s, when NO ONE electrolyted their horses and they came through just fine.
Posted 29 March 2007 - 02:26 PM
The main thing is that my horses are on pasture. At any ride I work really hard to find grazing for them at camp and during vet holds. We have gotten BC about 1/4 of the time, so I guess it is working pretty well.
We are going to try our first 100 mile ride this May. That should be interesting.
Paul N. Sidio
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