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#1 MisterHollywood

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Posted 03 January 2008 - 12:42 AM

Photos, Information about this stallion...

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Posted 03 January 2008 - 01:41 AM

Do a search on Lacey Arabian Center - owned by Murrell Lacey's son. Murrell was Karadjordje's last owner.

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Posted 03 January 2008 - 08:45 AM

Saw him show a few times. A big cool moving horse.

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Posted 03 January 2008 - 12:48 PM

He was really a neat horse. I wish I'd gotten to see him in real life. Try googling him and you'll find all kinds of stuff.
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Posted 03 January 2008 - 11:07 PM

*Karajdordje was an awesome, charismatic stallion! Do try to contact Lacy's Arabian Ranch in Garden Valley, CA as they would have tons of information for you. My best producing mare is out of a KJ daughter. KJ was US National Top Ten Park horse and Top Ten Halter stallion in the same year (late 60's or early 70's). I got to see him perform once before he retired and, to this day, I have not seen any Park horse who could compare to his canter...he could do it in place with ease and looked like a carousel horse when cantering along the rail. He had the rear end that everyone says you can't find these days. He was shown in liberty presentations in his later years and, no matter how many times I had seen it before, I couldn't stay away, lol! He and Murrel would literally dance with each other. Unfortunately, I don't have any photos of him in motion but I'll try and find a body shot that I have. Are you interested because you have his bloodline in your own horse? What other kind of information would you like?

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Posted 04 January 2008 - 11:41 AM

Growing up in Contra Coasta County, KJ was an everyday celebrity, doing a tv ad for a local furniture store! Murrell may have been "hard" on some of his horses, but he and George had a wonderful relationship. I was lucky enough to do a summer intern program at Lacey's. And no one ever forgets seeing Murrell and Benraz flashing along in halter!

KJ was one of the most charismatic horses at liberty. The last time I saw him was at a DAHA show when they had a breeding auction. He barreled into the ring, which suddenly looked really too small for this horse. His trot was something you judged every other horse against.

I had a wonderul KJ grand daughter out of a classic little Crabbet mare that came from Saddle Rock Ranch, before they had *SR Nadom. She produced some very wonderful trotting NSH for us. Very long necked, and a terrific hind quarters on them.

It's a shame that a lot of the John Rogers stock has gotten lost in the shuffle. That was some wonderful foundation stock that could be bred to anything and produce outstanding athelets.
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Posted 04 January 2008 - 11:48 AM

I remember those ads with "George"...but i thought someone told me he was a KJ son?
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Posted 04 January 2008 - 12:22 PM

Here's a snapshot I took at a show at Santa Barbara in the early 70's. Sorry about the quality of the photo but I was just a kid at the time.

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Posted 04 January 2008 - 01:58 PM

QUOTE(meadow valley @ Jan 4 2008, 08:41 AM) View Post
Growing up in Contra Coasta County, KJ was an everyday celebrity, doing a tv ad for a local furniture store! Murrell may have been "hard" on some of his horses, but he and George had a wonderful relationship. I was lucky enough to do a summer intern program at Lacey's. And no one ever forgets seeing Murrell and Benraz flashing along in halter!

KJ was one of the most charismatic horses at liberty. The last time I saw him was at a DAHA show when they had a breeding auction. He barreled into the ring, which suddenly looked really too small for this horse. His trot was something you judged every other horse against.

I had a wonderul KJ grand daughter out of a classic little Crabbet mare that came from Saddle Rock Ranch, before they had *SR Nadom. She produced some very wonderful trotting NSH for us. Very long necked, and a terrific hind quarters on them.

It's a shame that a lot of the John Rogers stock has gotten lost in the shuffle. That was some wonderful foundation stock that could be bred to anything and produce outstanding athelets.


Lucky you to have gone through the intern program!! What a learning experience with so many hands-on sessions. I assisted a couple of times and learned a lot when I could sit in on some of them. Did you mean Costume class when you mentioned Murrel & Benraz? So true re the Rogers' stock however Dean & Sherry Lacy are continuing with it on a smaller scale still.

Jennifer, George was in the original ads but later it was one of his sons.

Toni thanks for that photo :-) Neat to see him in his dapples...I met him after he had almost completely turned white. I still have to scan the body shot that I have in order to post it here.

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Posted 04 January 2008 - 03:52 PM

Diane can certainly talk more about *Karadjordje++ than I can but I do remember seeing him shown. I first saw him shown as a younger horse when he was still dappled. I remember him being a well built horse with great tail carriage..not as pretty in the head as some would like but great eyes. I was always under the impression that he was a pretty "tough" horse as a young horse...remember seeing him in a Park class at Stockton and when he was in control he was awesome...but he would break and then a couple of times tried to climb the arena wall. Murrel got that worked out and he settled down and in future years had more focus.

He did pass on many of his good qualities...movement, great body and legs, good necks and great tail carriage. His get were used in many different disciplines and were good at what their job was.

One year at the Santa Rosa show they had a large liberty class....many well known stallions...it was won by an older white *Karadjordje daughter. She was incredible.

One of my favorites is the bay mare, KJ Kayla. Loved this mare...big, bold, long, well shaped neck, full bodied, and she could trot.

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Posted 04 January 2008 - 03:54 PM

Dean has several binders full of pics and ads of his get in his office. I only got to look for a minute, but they were really neat!
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Posted 04 January 2008 - 04:23 PM

This shot was used a lot.

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Posted 04 January 2008 - 04:28 PM

Pat or Diane did you ever get to see Serafix? That was one I missed seeing. He was gone by the time I got up to Lacey's(Rogers). Natez was there though, he was a cool old horse, but I sure wish I would have gotten to see Serafix in the flesh. I loved his daughters, Geniis Pride was my favorite.

I love this shot of Serafix, he looks so fancy.

Also here is a seldom seen shot of Serafix as a youngster.

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Posted 04 January 2008 - 07:25 PM

*Serafix was even better in the flesh. Still have those lines in my stallions and some of my mares.

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Posted 04 January 2008 - 08:17 PM

Benraz and Murrel on the cover of AHW trotting infront of the SF Palace of Fine Arts, and, yes, the awesome native costume classes. There aren't many horses that could outdo Benraz at the hand gallop.

George had what I would call a distinguished head, very old Polish. Rock hard legs. Lots of good endurance stock there.
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Posted 04 January 2008 - 08:25 PM

I did have the honor of seeing *Serafix several times. My very dear friend, Carolyn Frisbey, used to take photos of the horses for John Rogers. I went there several times with her. Somewhere, I have some old photos that Carolyn took that have never been published.

I am a big *Serafix fan. Loved his sons SX Saladin and SX Challenger. The best Arabian we ever owned was a grandson, Regalano, by the *Serafix son Serad.

I have all of these neat old super 8 movies and photos packed away somewhere....from all of the trips we made across the U.S. looking at horses. I am just so disorganized I am not sure where they are. Might not even be good anymore.

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Posted 04 January 2008 - 09:55 PM

These are what I have of *Karadjordje+++ including his pedigree for anyone interested:






The body shot was taken in 1978, the head shot was in the early 80's. You can see what Pat was saying about his eyes and head.

Pat, that's interesting about George's early career. The one time I saw him perform (AHANC at Stockton) I remember a lot of commentary before his class about what "might happen" when he came in, lol! He truly was a war horse personified and passed that trait on to most of his get. Thanks for the vote of confidence on what I know about him, but I think you know a lot more....would love to have a day or two or more to sit down with you to hear all of your stories about him and all the other great oldies that you knew!

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Posted 04 January 2008 - 10:17 PM

Toni, I only got to see *Serafix once and that was the year before he died. He was still beautiful even then. He was presented nose to nose with Natez and that sight is etched into my head still.

I love that head-on shot of him! It reminds me of a gelding (Taaz) I bred who resembles him a lot. His dam is a Gamaar daughter whose dam was double *Serafix. Taaz's dam is a bay and I bred her to the bay, Fame VF, to get him.....a very *Serafix-looking chestnut colt...even his blaze is almost the same shape, just a little wider. This is Taaz:


He was body-clipped right before this photo was taken but he has the most beautiful irridescent chestnut coat like his gr.gr. grandpa. Isn't that amazing how a horse a few generations back can come forward so strongly?

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 12:27 AM

Wow I get goosebumps at the thought of seeing those two legends nose to nose....

I sure would like to see some of those pictures Pat has.

More of Serafix. Your boy sure was a dead ringer wasn't he?

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 09:37 AM

Here is a photo I found in my files of Gerwazy, the sire of *Karadjorje+++:

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(BTW, the horse in my avatar has both *Karadjorje and *Serafix (twice) in his pedigree on his dam's side.)
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