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#1 CarrieLewis

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Posted 22 May 2005 - 04:13 PM

From the AHA website:

James Draper brought Spanish Arabians into the American picture when he imported five horses from Spain in 1934.

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Posted 25 May 2005 - 07:39 PM

Horses impored by James Draper:

Name Number Foaled Gender Color
*MECA AHR*1219 04-March-1923 Mare Chestnut
*MENFIS AHR*1217 14-January-1927 Mare Grey
*BARAKAT AHR*1218 10-February-1932 Mare Grey
*NAKKLA AHR*1215 16-March-1932 Mare Grey
*RAS-EL-AYN AHR*1216 23-March-1933 Stallion Grey

Horses bred by James Draper:

Name Number Foaled Gender Color
RASENA AHR*1298 07-February-1935 Mare Grey
MEHANA AHR*1297 07-April-1935 Mare Chestnut
ALICANTE AHR*1299 06-May-1936 Mare Grey
GRAN VIA AHR*1300 30-May-1936 Mare Grey
RAMONA AHR*1562 29-March-1938 Mare Grey
RAS-SON AHR*1940 17-May-1940 Stallion Bay
GAYR AHR*1942 21-May-1940 Stallion Bay
SHAMR AHR*1941 29-September-1940 Stallion Grey
RAS-KIT AHR*2142 27-May-1941 Mare Bay
NOMAD AHR*2141 02-June-1941 Stallion Grey
RAS-JOLI AHR*2143 14-June-1941 Gelding Grey
MONA LISA AHR*2465 11-March-1942 Mare Grey
JOYLA AHR*2464 25-May-1942 Mare Chestnut
JUBILO AHR*2466 26-May-1942 Stallion Grey
YEAMEN AHR*2482 27-May-1942 Stallion Grey
AMIZ AHR*2710 25-March-1943 Stallion Bay
BUT-ER-KUP AHR*2712 29-March-1943 Mare Grey
BUDDI AHR*2711 25-May-1943 Stallion Chestnut
CARMENCITA AHR*2723 26-May-1943 Mare Chestnut
KOTSI AHR*2828 21-March-1944 Mare Grey
BEAU SABI AHR*2829 23-March-1944 Stallion Chestnut
DONA VIA AHR*2830 24-March-1944 Mare Grey
LA PLATITA AHR*2831 25-March-1944 Mare Chestnut
NISANA AHR*2832 14-April-1944 Mare Chestnut
JIFFI AHR*2833 19-April-1944 Stallion Bay
CARAMAL AHR*2903 20-April-1944 Mare Chestnut
JERICHO AHR*2834 10-May-1944 Stallion Chestnut
CARAMEN AHR*3351 07-March-1945 Mare Chestnut
CARAKIT AHR*3233 12-March-1945 Mare Chestnut
JUEL AHR*3352 27-March-1945 Mare Grey
MAYSAN AHR*3241 31-March-1945 Gelding Chestnut
BONITA AHR*3353 01-April-1945 Mare Chestnut
ARABE AHR*3354 11-April-1945 Stallion Bay
ROYALA AHR*3355 26-April-1945 Mare Chestnut
NADAL AHR*3356 10-May-1945 Stallion Chestnut
JUBILEE AHR*3871 09-March-1946 Mare Grey
RASSAL AHR*3872 14-March-1946 Stallion Chestnut
KAVALEER AHR*3873 16-March-1946 Stallion Grey
JUELLA AHR*3874 03-April-1946 Mare Grey
JUELLA VASB*97 03-April-1946 Mare Grey
ROYALITA AHR*3875 12-April-1946 Mare Chestnut
IBN LATIF AHR*3876 14-April-1946 Stallion Grey
GRANDEE AHR*3877 14-April-1946 Gelding Grey
AKILA AHR*3879 18-April-1946 Mare Grey
LATIFA AHR*3880 19-April-1946 Mare Chestnut
CARAB AHR*3881 28-May-1946 Gelding Chestnut
CALAVAN AHR*3882 31-May-1946 Stallion Chestnut
RASADEYNA AHR*3883 03-June-1946 Mare Grey
TOMIK AHR*3884 14-June-1946 Gelding Bay
CARASAL AHR*4426 26-February-1947 Mare Bay
JUBILEMA AHR*4417 08-March-1947 Mare Grey
JUBILANT AHR*4418 25-March-1947 Stallion Chestnut
JUBILITA AHR*4420 26-March-1947 Mare Bay
LACITA AHR*4413 03-April-1947 Mare Chestnut
LESSAL AHR*4428 04-April-1947 Gelding Bay
ALEET AHR*4425 14-April-1947 Stallion Bay
RASONA AHR*4414 15-April-1947 Mare Grey
JULIO AHR*4419 17-April-1947 Gelding Grey
ROYYAL AHR*4415 19-April-1947 Gelding Chestnut
NASSAL AHR*4427 24-April-1947 Stallion Bay
JEDANA AHR*4424 16-May-1947 Mare White
AMIREZ AHR*4247 27-May-1947 Gelding Chestnut
HAAKEEMABA AHR*4139 28-May-1947 Stallion Chestnut
GHARISENA AHR*4422 03-June-1947 Mare Chestnut
GHARIDEYN AHR*4423 06-June-1947 Gelding Bay
GHARIZEYD AHR*4421 02-July-1947 Stallion Chestnut
GHARIMEN AHR*5077 02-March-1948 Gelding Chestnut
FLEET AHR*5076 03-March-1948 Gelding Grey
GHAREYNA AHR*5088 18-March-1948 Mare Grey
RIS KIT AHR*5080 21-March-1948 Stallion Grey
GHARANA AHR*5090 22-March-1948 Mare Grey
GHAZELLA AHR*5087 02-April-1948 Mare Chestnut
GHARISAL AHR*5079 04-April-1948 Stallion Bay
GHARSIKA AHR*5086 05-April-1948 Mare Grey
GHARIVAN AHR*5082 14-April-1948 Stallion Chestnut
GHARITEZ AHR*5078 15-April-1948 Gelding Chestnut
GHAR SAOUD AHR*5083 29-April-1948 Stallion Grey
JEDHA ZEYD AHR*5085 01-May-1948 Gelding Grey
JURALENA AHR*5075 06-May-1948 Mare Grey
GHARISA AHR*5089 06-May-1948 Mare Grey
JUBIDEYN AHR*5031 11-May-1948 Mare Grey
SALTI AHR*5081 11-May-1948 Stallion Chestnut
GHARISEYN AHR*5084 13-May-1948 Stallion Grey
AARA ZEYD AHR*5172 25-May-1948 Gelding Grey
GHARICK AHR*4938 28-May-1948 Gelding Bay
HARIK AHR*5767 02-March-1949 Gelding Chestnut
JUBIDAH AHR*5774 04-March-1949 Mare Grey
KUBAISHAN AHR*5773 19-March-1949 Stallion Grey
KHADIJA AHR*5772 21-March-1949 Mare Grey
JIFLI AHR*5771 25-March-1949 Stallion Chestnut
AL MAISAN AHR*5770 26-March-1949 Mare Chestnut
MINDAL AHR*5768 31-March-1949 Gelding Chestnut
JUBILA AHR*5769 31-March-1949 Mare Grey
HASSUN AHR*5532 31-March-1949 Stallion Chestnut
ZIADA AHR*5780 06-April-1949 Mare Grey
RASELEYD AHR*5779 22-April-1949 Stallion Grey
NAUFALI AHR*5778 28-April-1949 Mare Grey
ABU RUWAIS AHR*5777 29-April-1949 Gelding Grey
TUWAISAN AHR*5776 01-May-1949 Mare Grey
HASALENA AHR*5775 04-May-1949 Mare Bay
AL MUALLAKAT AHR*5781 07-August-1949 Mare Grey
GHARISEM AHR*6482 19-March-1950 Stallion Chestnut
JUBINAH AHR*6487 19-March-1950 Mare Bay
HAJII BABA AHR*6477 20-March-1950 Stallion Grey
GHARITA AHR*6483 24-March-1950 Mare Grey
GHARISITA AHR*6484 26-March-1950 Mare Chestnut
TIKOYA AHR*6480 26-March-1950 Mare Bay
GHAREMA AHR*6485 01-April-1950 Mare Grey
JUBILASI AHR*6488 01-April-1950 Mare Bay
GHARISONA AHR*6486 10-April-1950 Mare Chestnut
RONDAL AHR*6489 11-April-1950 Stallion Bay
JUBILANA AHR*6490 12-April-1950 Mare Bay
JUBIDAHMA AHR*6491 16-April-1950 Mare Grey
ROYALEE AHR*6481 17-April-1950 Mare Grey
JUKILA AHR*6492 22-April-1950 Mare Grey
JUBOLI AHR*6493 24-April-1950 Gelding Chestnut
JUSTME AHR*6494 14-May-1950 Gelding Grey
JUDAANA AHR*6495 24-May-1950 Mare Grey
JURALITA AHR*6496 16-June-1950 Mare Bay
DUSTI AHR*6478 16-July-1950 Stallion Grey
CAR-EL-AYN AHR*6479 10-August-1950 Mare Grey
MAHBOOBAH AHR*7576 13-January-1952 Mare Bay
SUREYNA AHR*8065 22-April-1952 Mare Grey
SURENA AHR*8067 29-April-1952 Mare Bay
CARAVIA AHR*8071 02-May-1952 Mare Grey
SURAYNA AHR*8066 03-May-1952 Mare Bay
SURITA AHR*8068 04-May-1952 Mare Grey
CARALI AHR*8070 07-May-1952 Mare Bay
SURAKALA AHR*8064 08-May-1952 Mare Grey
SUREL AHR*8069 09-May-1952 Gelding Grey
IBN GHARIS AHR*8073 12-May-1952 Stallion Chestnut
JUBANA AHR*8072 13-May-1952 Mare Chestnut
GHULI AHR*8801 07-May-1953 Mare Grey
SUREKO AHR*8803 08-May-1953 Stallion Grey
SURRAN AHR*8804 19-May-1953 Stallion Grey
SURALEE AHR*8802 23-May-1953 Mare Bay
SURAKA AHR*9704 10-May-1954 Mare Bay
SUR-BO AHR*9705 11-May-1954 Stallion Grey
SURRANA AHR*9706 13-May-1954 Mare Grey
SABRINAH AHR*9703 02-August-1954 Mare Chestnut
SURVAN AHR*10541 27-February-1955 Stallion Bay
SUR-GHARI AHR*10540 07-March-1955 Stallion Grey
SUREHA AHR*10539 10-April-1955 Mare Grey
SURIMA AHR*10542 04-May-1955 Mare Bay
AL-MUMIN AHR*10538 18-June-1955 Stallion Bay
SURARA AHR*11688 04-March-1956 Mare Grey
SUR-IKO AHR*11687 08-March-1956 Stallion Grey
SURALENA AHR*11686 10-March-1956 Mare Grey
SURALITA AHR*11685 14-March-1956 Mare Bay
SUREE AHR*11684 16-March-1956 Mare Bay
SUR-GALANT AHR*11683 18-March-1956 Stallion Bay
SUR-MONO AHR*11682 20-March-1956 Stallion Grey
SUR-JUBI AHR*11681 24-March-1956 Stallion Grey
SUR-REY AHR*11680 10-April-1956 Stallion Grey
SUR-NEET AHR*11679 18-April-1956 Stallion Bay
SURNITA AHR*11678 28-April-1956 Mare Bay
SUR-GRANDE AHR*11677 13-May-1956 Stallion Grey
SURELA AHR*11676 11-July-1956 Mare Grey
JUBIDAL AHR*12697 01-April-1957 Mare Bay
PRINCESS PENNY AHR*12603 02-June-1957 Mare Bay
SUR-REYM AHR*12698 04-June-1957 Stallion Bay
SURISA AHR*12699 13-June-1957 Mare Grey
SURECA AHR*12700 15-June-1957 Mare Grey
SURADA AHR*13891 14-March-1958 Mare Grey
SUR-KEEN AHR*13892 22-March-1958 Stallion Bay
SUR-KNIGHT AHR*13893 31-March-1958 Stallion Grey
SUR-VALIANT AHR*13894 05-April-1958 Stallion Bay
SURILEE AHR*13895 10-April-1958 Mare Grey
SURALISA AHR*13896 12-May-1958 Mare Grey
BINT SUREYNA AHR*13899 20-May-1958 Mare Grey
SUR-BEN AHR*13897 04-June-1958 Stallion Grey
JEDHAN AHR*13900 08-June-1958 Gelding Grey
JUBILITO AHR*13901 16-June-1958 Stallion Grey
JUBEE DOLL AHR*14082 13-November-1958 Mare Grey
SURPRISE AHR*13898 22-December-1958 Stallion Grey
SURA GAYLA AHR*15709 10-April-1959 Mare Grey
SURA CAREL AHR*15710 14-April-1959 Mare Grey
SUR-LEE AHR*15711 22-April-1959 Stallion Bay
SEAHORSE SAREYN AHR*15491 06-May-1959 Stallion Bay
SURALISATU AHR*15712 11-May-1959 Mare Grey
SURA LINDA AHR*15713 12-May-1959 Mare Grey
SURA DANDE AHR*15714 21-May-1959 Mare Grey
LAZY ACRES JUEL AHR*15715 28-May-1959 Mare Chestnut
CAREYNA AHR*15716 12-June-1959 Mare Grey
WITEZLU AHR*15971 01-July-1959 Mare Bay
WITEZLYN AHR*15972 08-July-1959 Stallion Bay
GHARIS SON AHR*15717 04-October-1959 Stallion Grey
GHATITA AHR*15718 08-November-1959 Mare Chestnut
SURAVIA AHR*15719 25-December-1959 Mare Grey
SURA GEM AHR*17813 31-January-1960 Mare Grey
SUR-GALAHAD AHR*17814 27-March-1960 Stallion Bay
DAHMINO AHR*17815 13-April-1960 Stallion Bay
SURA CARLA AHR*17812 16-April-1960 Mare Bay
SUR-BUDDI AHR*17811 26-April-1960 Stallion Grey
VANDY AHR*17816 03-May-1960 Mare Bay
SURA-KIT AHR*17810 07-May-1960 Mare Bay
SUR-SPARKL AHR*17809 14-May-1960 Stallion Bay
SUR-MAIT AHR*17800 31-May-1960 Gelding Bay
CARAVEYN AHR*17817 08-June-1960 Stallion Grey
SURA MONA AHR*17808 10-June-1960 Mare Grey
TEZITO AHR*17807 30-June-1960 Gelding Bay
TEZENA AHR*17806 09-August-1960 Mare Bay
SUR-LANCELOT AHR*20598 12-March-1961 Stallion Grey
SUR-BONEYN AHR*20599 17-March-1961 Stallion Grey
JEDELS GHABRIL AHR*20607 24-March-1961 Stallion Grey
SURENA VIA AHR*20595 07-April-1961 Mare Grey
JEDELS KAVALEER AHR*20605 12-April-1961 Stallion Grey
SUR-DUKE AHR*20602 27-April-1961 Stallion Grey
FADJURLITA AHR*20654 12-May-1961 Mare Bay
JEDELS VALEERA AHR*20604 14-May-1961 Mare Grey
SURA KITRA AHR*20597 01-June-1961 Mare Bay
JEDELS G-MAJOR AHR*20608 03-June-1961 Gelding Grey
JEDELS BUDJIT AHR*20606 28-June-1961 Stallion Bay
SURA RISA AHR*20600 03-August-1961 Mare Grey
SURA GAY AHR*20603 12-August-1961 Mare Grey
SURA SALENA AHR*20596 30-September-1961 Mare Bay
SUR-SHARP AHR*23521 03-March-1962 Stallion Grey
SUR-FADJOLIN AHR*23307 11-May-1962 Stallion Bay
JEZABEL AHR*23520 16-May-1962 Mare Grey
SURA-DALL AHR*21066 11-June-1962 Mare Bay
EL REY AHR*26809 05-February-1963 Stallion Grey
SURA DEER AHR*26811 03-May-1963 Mare Bay
FALITA AHR*25143 06-June-1963 Mare Bay
JUMARA AHR*30668 06-March-1964 Mare Grey
RAKEYN AHR*32185 27-April-1964 Gelding Bay

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Happy trails,
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Triple Cross Ranches & Honey Creek Farms
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When age prevents me from riding,
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When I can no longer shuffle,
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Posted 25 May 2005 - 07:49 PM

Horses imported by Mr. Draper were Early American Foundation, SBV:

*NAKKLA AHR*1215 16-March-1932 Mare Grey
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Photos courtesy of Eva Dano Collection

*RAS-EL-AYN AHR*1216 23-March-1933 Stallion Grey
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Pulque Preservation Program
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When age prevents me from riding,
I will still keep horses as long as
I can shuffle along with a pail.
When I can no longer shuffle,
I will roll my wheelchair to the pasture
Fence to watch my horses graze.

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Posted 25 May 2005 - 08:03 PM

Photos courtesy of Eva Dano Collection:

Horses bred by Mr. Draper were Early American Foundation, SBV:

*BARAKAT AHR*1218 10-February-1932 Mare Grey
GAYR AHR*1942 21-May-1940 Stallion Bay

Gayr and *Barakat

Gayr

Gayr

Gayr

JUBILO AHR*2466 26-May-1942 Stallion Grey

Jubilo

Jubilo


BUDDI AHR*2711 25-May-1943 Stallion Chestnut

Buddi

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I will still keep horses as long as
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Posted 26 May 2005 - 12:31 PM

Carrie, when I saw the title of this thread some memories came to mind and the old "wish I knew then what I know now" emotion came up as well FA214.gif In the mid to late '70's I had the pleasure of spending some time with Jim Draper at some horse shows. I had not become a breeder at that point and didn't have a clue who he was, other than being the father of a local trainer, Ted Draper, and who displayed beautiful Schreyer prints to sell at various horse shows. I also didn't know that he was connected to the Arabian horse ranch that I drove by daily on my way to work in the early 60's, wishing I could be bold enough to pull into for a visit. Oh, what an education that would have been!

When I got into breeding, I purchased a mare whose maternal grand-dam was the Draper bred mare, Carabi (by Sur-Jubi x Carali). She has been a very successful broodmare for me and I attribute a lot of that success to her Draper lines. By the time I began to realize this, Jim had passed on, and Edna had moved out of the area. UC06.gif

Thanks so much for posting this information. When I clicked on Jubilo's picture I was struck by his resemblance (snip and facial features) to my 4 year old bay filly out of the above mentioned mare! It's amazing how those genes travel from so far back in the pedigree!

Diane

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Posted 26 May 2005 - 08:26 PM

Carrie, I feel the same as Diane....Thanks for the memories!

So many of our horses trace to some of the great old mares from Jedel Arabians. Surima (Sureyn x Bonita) being the one that is in most of our pedigrees. We also used to have a mare named Carasura by Caravan out of Surallakat. I have lots of old photos and super 8 movies of some of the Draper horses.

What I remember the most about these horses.....strong, lots of heart and great dispositions.

One of our first stallions Regalano was sired by the *Serafix son, Serad and out of a beautiful Sureyn daughter, Sur-Reyna.

Pat Hendershot
Trade Winds Arabians.....breeders of "TW" Arabians since 1963!

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Posted 27 May 2005 - 11:41 AM

QUOTE(AO Arabs @ May 26 2005, 11:31 AM)
Carrie, when I saw the title of this thread some memories came to mind and the old "wish I knew then what I know now" emotion came up as well  FA214.gif In the mid to late '70's I had the pleasure of spending some time with Jim Draper at some horse shows.  I had not become a breeder at that point and didn't have a clue who he was, other than being the father of a local trainer, Ted Draper, and who displayed beautiful Schreyer prints to sell at various horse shows.  I also didn't know that he was connected to the Arabian horse ranch that I drove by daily on my way to work in the early 60's, wishing I could be bold enough to pull into for a visit.  Oh, what an education that would have been!

When I got into breeding, I purchased a mare whose maternal grand-dam was the Draper bred mare, Carabi (by Sur-Jubi x Carali).  She has been a very successful broodmare for me and I attribute a lot of that success to her Draper lines.  By the time I began to realize this, Jim had passed on, and Edna had moved out of the area. UC06.gif

Thanks so much for posting this information.  When I clicked on Jubilo's picture I was struck by his resemblance (snip and facial features) to my 4 year old bay filly out of the above mentioned mare!  It's amazing how those genes travel from so far back in the pedigree!

Diane

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Wonderful Diane! How very special to have been able to meet James Draper. What a terrific memory! Please feel free to share any and all stories about your mare and photos. This is the official Memory Lane for American Foundation bloodlines <g>.

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American Foundation Arabian Horses - The Original ATVs

Pulque Preservation Program
Texas Foundation Arabian Horse Association
American Foundation Arabian Horse Association

When age prevents me from riding,
I will still keep horses as long as
I can shuffle along with a pail.
When I can no longer shuffle,
I will roll my wheelchair to the pasture
Fence to watch my horses graze.

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Posted 27 May 2005 - 11:46 AM

QUOTE(twarab @ May 26 2005, 07:26 PM)
Carrie,  I feel the same as Diane....Thanks for the memories!

So many of our horses trace to some of the great old mares from Jedel Arabians.    Surima (Sureyn x Bonita) being the one that is in most of our pedigrees.    We also used to have a mare named Carasura by Caravan out of Surallakat.    I have lots of old photos and super 8 movies of some of the Draper horses. 

What I remember the most about these horses.....strong,  lots of heart and great dispositions. 

One of our first stallions  Regalano was sired by the *Serafix son, Serad and out of a beautiful Sureyn daughter, Sur-Reyna.

Pat Hendershot

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Pat,

Please feel welcome to post photos here of your horses descended from horses in Mr. Draper's breeding program. One of our most treasured original broodmares was a granddaughter of Sureyn-Supreme. So the Draper bloodlines are very important to us. Yes, strong horses with alot of heart and great dispositions.

Please do share photos and stories. I love them!

This is Rheanna, a granddaughter of Sureyn-Supreme.
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Pulque Preservation Program
Texas Foundation Arabian Horse Association
American Foundation Arabian Horse Association

When age prevents me from riding,
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I can shuffle along with a pail.
When I can no longer shuffle,
I will roll my wheelchair to the pasture
Fence to watch my horses graze.

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Posted 28 May 2005 - 05:55 PM

All horses bred by Mr. Draper were Early American Foundation, SBV.

Photos courtesy of Eva Dano Collection.

RASSAL AHR*3872 14-March-1946 Stallion Chestnut
Rassal

GHARIZEYD AHR*4421 02-July-1947 Stallion Chestnut
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KUBAISHAN AHR*5773 19-March-1949 Stallion Grey
Kubaishan

SURRAN AHR*8804 19-May-1953 Stallion Grey
Surran

SUR-BO AHR*9705 11-May-1954 Stallion Grey
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Posted 01 June 2005 - 08:03 PM

Wow, Carrie, this is so much fun! Love looking at the old photos. Somewhre I have some old movies of Caravan...loved that horse. One of the prettiest moving horese. When I was a teenager I worked on a TB farm...the man also raised Arabians. He owned a Shayk, a son of *Raffles, a chestnut son of Abu Farwa, I just cannot remember his name at this time. The ranch owner was the breeder of Jurneeka++ and she was at the ranch as a youngster while I was working there. Also working at the ranch was John Bogle the owner of Kubaishan. Kubi was my best buddy. He was the smartest, sweetest stallion. I had more fun with him. The photo you show I believe was taken by my good friend, Carolyn Frisbey???? Looks like it might have been taken on the race track at the Stockton Fairgrounds. Use to have a big Arab show there.

After Carl and I married, we lived at Bell H Arabians. They were the owners of Mehanazem in her later years. She produced some great foals.

And of course, I will always remember Sur-Bo...what a show horse he was. No doubt that he was an Arabian and such a "ham" but also a very good natured horse.

Thanks so much for sharing your photos! Some day I will have to dig out some of my old photos. My problem is I have not figured out how to post them. I have finally figured out how to get them in the gallery but have not gotten to being able to post them in a message.

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QUOTE(twarab @ Jun 1 2005, 07:03 PM)
Wow,  Carrie,  this is so much fun!  Love looking at the old photos.  Somewhre I have some old movies of Caravan...loved that horse.  One of the prettiest moving horese.    When I was a teenager I worked on a TB farm...the man also raised Arabians.  He owned a Shayk, a son of *Raffles,  a chestnut son of Abu Farwa,  I just cannot remember his name at this time.  The ranch owner was the breeder of Jurneeka++ and she was at the ranch as a youngster while I was working there.  Also working at the ranch was John Bogle the owner of Kubaishan.  Kubi was my best buddy.  He was the smartest,  sweetest stallion.  I had more fun with him.  The photo you show I believe was taken by my good friend, Carolyn Frisbey????  Looks like it might have been taken on the race track at the Stockton Fairgrounds.  Use to have a big Arab show there. 

After Carl and I married,  we lived at Bell H Arabians.  They were the owners of Mehanazem in her later years.  She produced some great foals. 

And of course,  I will always remember Sur-Bo...what a show horse he was.  No doubt that he was an Arabian and such a "ham" but also a very good natured horse. 

Thanks so much for sharing your photos!  Some day I will have to dig out some of my old photos.  My problem is I have not figured out how to post them.  I have finally figured out how to get them in the gallery but have not gotten to being able to post them in a message.

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Thank you Pat! Your memories are terrific!

If you upload your photos to a free site at fotki.com, each photo will have it's own http address. When you post a reply on a thread, there is a button for IMG. Click on that button, cut/paste the http address for the photo on fotki.com, hit enter and the url will be included in your message. When you post your message, it will retrieve the photo and it is included in your post. If that's not clear enough, let me know and I will try to help further. We would love to see your photos!

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Posted 17 June 2005 - 04:46 PM

GAYR - AHR*1942 was bred by James Draper. He was Early American Foundation, SBV.

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Posted 18 June 2005 - 12:56 PM

Hi Pat! Would love to see that movie of Caravan some day! I've seen one or two old photos of him standing but would love to see him in action...from what I've read, he supposedly was a very good mover and passed it on to his offspring. Did you know that Karamore's Draper bred grand dam was double Caravan?? She also has Mehanezem in her pedigree. I've noticed her presence in a lot of the Jack Tone horses, too. Would love to hear more about what you know about them.

Carrie, this is a photo of my mare Karamore, taken when she was two years old and in show condition:
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QUOTE(twarab @ Jun 1 2005, 06:03 PM)
Wow,  Carrie,  this is so much fun!  Love looking at the old photos.  Somewhre I have some old movies of Caravan...loved that horse.  One of the prettiest moving horese.    When I was a teenager I worked on a TB farm...the man also raised Arabians.  He owned a Shayk, a son of *Raffles,  a chestnut son of Abu Farwa,  I just cannot remember his name at this time.  The ranch owner was the breeder of Jurneeka++ and she was at the ranch as a youngster while I was working there.  Also working at the ranch was John Bogle the owner of Kubaishan.  Kubi was my best buddy.  He was the smartest,  sweetest stallion.  I had more fun with him.  The photo you show I believe was taken by my good friend, Carolyn Frisbey????  Looks like it might have been taken on the race track at the Stockton Fairgrounds.  Use to have a big Arab show there. 

After Carl and I married,  we lived at Bell H Arabians.  They were the owners of Mehanazem in her later years.  She produced some great foals. 

And of course,  I will always remember Sur-Bo...what a show horse he was.  No doubt that he was an Arabian and such a "ham" but also a very good natured horse. 

Thanks so much for sharing your photos!  Some day I will have to dig out some of my old photos.  My problem is I have not figured out how to post them.  I have finally figured out how to get them in the gallery but have not gotten to being able to post them in a message.

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Posted 18 June 2005 - 01:34 PM

Pretty pretty pretty! Thanks for sharing Diane!

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Posted 18 June 2005 - 04:08 PM

BUDDI - AHR*2711 was bred by James Draper. He was Early American Foundation, SBV.

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Posted 18 June 2005 - 09:26 PM

Hi Diane! Mehanazem was an older mare when we knew her. She belonged to Elizabeth Hess of Bell H Arabians. They bought her in foal to Sureyn and the resulting foal was the great mare, Suranazem. I believe that all of Suranazem's foals were by Tone stallions. Mehanazem had her last foal by Fadjur when she was 28 if I remember correctly.

Caravan was a great moving horse. I remember a top trainer seeing the old movie of him trotting and commenting that he wish he could have had him. I have two great memories of Caravan. One when he was 33 and they used to present some of the older horses at the Santa Rosa show. This was a huge show in those days. Edna brought Jubilo and Caravan (age 33). Caravan being the oldest being presented. When she led him the ring she walked him in...at least she tried to walk him...he was prancing. The grandstands were full. The crowd, knowing him well, started yelling "let him trot". So finally she did. What a show he put on. My other memory....he was around the same age...we happened to be at the Draper ranch and looking at the mares. We heard a stallion and turned...Edna mentioned that they were taking Caravan to breed a mare. I happend to have my Super 8 camera so I took film of him prancing to the breeding shed. A little bit later, here he comes back a totally different horse. Head down, showing his age. If I remember right, Edna said that he would only breed for this one lady who always handled him.

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 11:13 AM

QUOTE(twarab @ Jun 18 2005, 07:26 PM)
Hi Diane!  Mehanazem was an older mare when we knew her.  She belonged to Elizabeth Hess of Bell H Arabians.  They bought her in foal to Sureyn and the resulting foal was the great mare,  Suranazem.  I believe that all of Suranazem's foals were by Tone stallions.  Mehanazem had her last foal by Fadjur when she was 28 if I remember correctly.

Caravan was a great moving horse.  I remember a top trainer seeing the old movie of him trotting and commenting that he wish he could have had him.    I have two great memories of Caravan.  One when he was 33 and they used to present some of the older horses at the Santa Rosa show.  This was a huge show in those days.  Edna brought Jubilo and Caravan (age 33).    Caravan being the oldest being presented.  When she led him the ring she walked him in...at least she tried to walk him...he was prancing.  The grandstands were full.  The crowd, knowing him well,  started yelling "let him trot".  So finally she did.  What a show he put on.      My other memory....he was around the same age...we happened to be at the Draper ranch and looking at the mares.  We heard a stallion and turned...Edna mentioned that they were taking Caravan to breed a mare.  I happend to have my Super 8 camera so I took film of him prancing to the breeding shed.    A little bit later,  here he comes back a totally different horse.  Head down,  showing his age.    If I remember right,  Edna said that he would only breed for this one lady who always handled him. 

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Thanks for the neat stories, Pat! Wish I could have seen that presentation of Jubilo and Caravan. Wish more people would bring out their old guys at the shows. It sure made a show exciting. One presentation that I saw that has lived in my memory was seeing Aurab at the Stockton show about a year or two before he died. Even at his old age, he still put on a good show.

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CARAB - AHR*3881 was bred by James Draper. He was Early American Foundation, SBV. Photo from Eva Dano collection.

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Posted 19 July 2005 - 12:27 AM

GHARIZEYD - AHR*4421 was bred by James Draper. He was Early American Foundation, SBV. Photo from Eva Dano Collection.

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 10:44 PM

JUBILO - AHR*2466 was bred by James Draper. He was Early American Foundation, SBV.

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